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Outrage over ‘phallic’ obelisk WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Published date: 24 June 2011 |
Published by: Nic Outterside


The statue in St Asaph 

OUTRAGE has erupted over a new statue to controversial Victorian explorer HM Stanley, with critics stating it resembles a giant marital aid and would not be out-of-place outside an Ann Summers shop.


Last week the Bishop of St Asaph launched a stinging criticism of the £18,000 obelisk, unveiled in the shadow of his cathedral, saying there were others more deserved of recognition.


Former St Asaph councillor John Smith said the obelisk had been likened to a ‘tin can’.


Fellow resident Pamela Ledsham said: “I could not believe my eyes... I thought some circus clown had left his pantomime prop on the kerbside.


Now parishioners have joined the debate posting damning comments on the Free Press website.


A furious Annieliz wrote: “Congratulations St Asaph city council you have succeeded in making St Asaph a laughing stock.


“Not one person I have spoken to is one of the "widely consulted" so who are they?
“This monstrosity would not be out of place outside an Ann Summers store.”


Xena215 posted: “If the obelisk was commissioned after 'wide consultation' with the people of St Asaph; why is it so difficult to find anyone who was consulted?


“Not everyone wants to look at this monstrosity day after day - it would be more appropriate and tasteful for a simple plaque to be placed at HM Stanley Hospital instead of an ugly, phallic symbol positioned next to the local church.”


RedDragon added: “Apart from the cheap tacky silver paint look of the memorial, the position of it is ridiculous and a serious accident near the pedestrian crossing is waiting to happen because you can't help but look and frown every time you drive past. I haven’t spoken to a single person who likes it.”


Another poster Auntiemint said: “It's an appalling waste of money, for something that looks like a massive marital aid sat at the side of the road!


“What an image to present to visitors to St Asaph.


“Surely the money would have been better spent on supporting St Kentigern Hospice, which would be of benefit to the local community and been more relevant, as the workhouse in which HM Stanley spent his formative years is on the same site.”


The obelisk was formally unveiled two weeks ago.


Former St Asaph mayor, Elsie Powell, a member of the group which commissioned the work, said she was pleased with the obelisk.


Current St Asaph Mayor Andrew Thomas added: "There are many people who deserve recognition who are from St Asaph, but this statue was brought about by a group who wanted to commemorate Stanley... he did many great things for people and the Congo.”

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  1. Posted by: wonderwendy at 17:55 on 26 June 2011 Report

    When talking about the 'Stanley' obelisk to my neighbour she said that if former mayor Elsie Powell likes it so much it should be renamed 'Elsie's Erection' ..........

  2. Posted by: Mrs-D at 13:55 on 29 June 2011 Report

    Perhaps those who were consulted and agreed with the proposed design should be identified and photographed in front of the phallic symbol. Or perhaps they are now so embarrassed that they will insist on their anonymity being protected.

  3. Posted by: thrussell&thrussell at 14:41 on 01 July 2011 Report

    As the designer and maker of the H.M Stanley sculpture (Bula Matari) we welcome any questions you have for us about the meaning and reasoning for this piece.

  4. Posted by: queendizl at 17:49 on 02 July 2011 Report

    I am not appalled by the beautifully crafted piece of art work that St Asaph has the fortune to present to the community and its visitors, what I am appalled by is the small minded and clearly ignorant comments that are in this discussion thread and included in the article

  5. Posted by: queendizl at 17:49 on 02 July 2011 Report

    The fact is this piece of art is a contemporary interpretation of H.M Stanley's story and not intended as a traditional memorial, and what is clearly forgotten is the fact that the artists collaborated with school children, incorporating their designs and imagining of the story into the piece. Surely this is a positive way of story telling and ensuring that history is passed through the generations. On a final note .... Cant any obelisk be considered phallic? Get real this is ridiculous!!

  6. Posted by: wonderwendy at 13:46 on 04 July 2011 Report

    Has anyone seen the predicted vast admiring crowds around the new obelisk ? NO. I wonder why! Also what has a monkey with a 'Tommy Cooper' hat got to do with it all?

  7. Posted by: thrussell&thrussell at 16:31 on 05 July 2011 Report

    The figure on top of the obelisk represents a Congolese carving of a woman with a traditional head dress, not a Tommy Cooper hat. The style of the figure was based on a traditional Congolese carving of a fertility goddess, creating a link to the maternity hospital in St Asaph. Have another close look and you will see she has breasts and this maybe where people are confused about the sculpture being a fertility symbol.

  8. Posted by: thrussell&thrussell at 16:46 on 05 July 2011 Report

    Three Primary school were involved in the creation of this piece and are very proud of the outcome, we are disappointed about all the obscene comments and innuendos surrounding this piece. We would have thought any derogatory comments would have been more constructive and less focused on a sexual nature, as children were involved in the designing process.

  9. Posted by: wonderwendy at 19:15 on 05 July 2011 Report

    Unfortunately Thrussell&Thrussell we don't like it. Just because children were involved in its creation does not mean we have to like it by law, and the so called Congolese woman with breasts is 12ft up in the air so I cannot really see whether it is a woman or not. As for Stanley I could not care less about him.

  10. Posted by: RedDragon at 00:11 on 06 July 2011 Report

    In response to Thrussell&Thrussell. The main criticism is that no St Asaph people seem to have been consulted, it's been erected in a daft position and the silver paint look is cheap. Why recognise a person not everyone likes in 2 places 4 miles apart, and Denbigh's is far superior to this. If it were positioned along the path near the river it would not have caused as much commotion... probably.

  11. Posted by: xena215 at 11:28 on 06 July 2011 Report

    While welcoming T&T's explanation surrounding the design of this monument, just because it's 'art' doesn't mean that we have to either like or accept it. My grandchildren attend some of the schools in question and while I am happy to display their art creations in my home I certainly wouldn't expect the whole community to feel the same way about them as I do!

  12. Posted by: xena215 at 11:35 on 06 July 2011 Report

    …. the pictorial design of HM Stanley's life is good, I just don't like the snake, the monkey or the breasts (now I know they're there). It might be more acceptable if these drawings were used in an archway around something useful, such as the entrance to a community centre?

  13. Posted by: xena215 at 11:38 on 06 July 2011 Report

    ... I think it is now been established beyond any doubt that the majority of St Asaph residents do not like this monument, nor do they wish to see it every day of their lives. So, my question to St Asaph Council is - how do we go about getting it removed?

  14. Posted by: OpenSauce at 11:55 on 06 July 2011 Report

    I think any sort of a monument to commemorate a man whose actions would today lead to him being prosecuted in the Hague for crimes against humanity is wrong let alone two within the space of a few miles – besides it looks tacky!

  15. Posted by: thrussell&thrussell at 21:06 on 06 July 2011 Report

    You can't please everybody all of the time, this piece has been designed to provoke interest & discussion of the subject. That is what it seems to have achieved. Those who keep in touch with town news would have been consulted in the planning stage for this piece & local press featured the proposed design last year. The silver finish some call tacky paintwork is in fact a metal coating of zinc galvanize, which will dull in a few months.

  16. Posted by: thrussell&thrussell at 21:11 on 06 July 2011 Report

    Finally we urge people to read Tim Jeal's Book about Stanley & then make your mind up about the content design. (STANLEY - The Impossible Life of Africa's Greatest Explorer) book.

  17. Posted by: wonderwendy at 09:46 on 07 July 2011 Report

    thrussell&thrussell why do you keep sending repeat comments this is the second time we have had them. Do you think we cannot get your point the first time. We are not that stupid up here. Only when it comes to letting town councils waste OUR money it seems.

  18. Posted by: loobylou at 22:15 on 07 July 2011 Report

    dear thrussell&thrussell can we have our money back?

  19. Posted by: Mrs-D at 18:13 on 08 July 2011 Report

    If Thrussell&Thrussell think this object is a work of art, then I suggest they have transferred it to the National Gallery, because we do not want here. If we have to have something in recognition of Rowlands (Stanley) can we please have something less obnoxious, and not Elsie’s Erection. It is a safety hazard. I have witnessed at least 2 near misses when drivers are distracted as they suddenly catch site of the monstrosity.

  20. Posted by: RedDragon at 20:24 on 11 July 2011 Report

    Mr 'thrussell&thrussell' you quote of "this piece has been designed to provoke interest & discussion of the subject. That is what it seems to have achieved" isn't something to be proud of if 99% of the comments are negative. If you are happy that it makes people angry and sad then you have indeed succeeded, congratulations.

  21. Posted by: wonderwendy at 22:43 on 25 July 2011 Report

    There is supposed to be a petition going around for people to sign to get Elsie's Erection removed in St Asaph. Does anyone know where it is so we can sign it? We were talking to a local shop keeper this week who says everyone is totally against the obelisk and can't wait for it to be removed.

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